AJ Leonardi, MBBS, PhD@fitterhappierAJ July 16, 2023:
It is not the true nature of a scientist to command trust
The true nature of a scientist is to educate others so that their science can be examined
tern@1goodtern Jul 19:
The head of the British Medical Association was at the UK Covid Inquiry yesterday saying with rock solid certainty that covid is airborne and that respirators reduce the risk of infection, and today it’s nowhere in the news. NOWHERE
phil oliver@oliver_phil Jul 19:
“If he had been saying it was mild… it would be in half the papers.”
Ten people who were wrong by Tern @1goodtern, July 4, 2023
1) The people who said it was the exit wave in April 2020, October 2020, February 2021, July 2021, October 2021, January 2022, May 2022, September 2022, December 2022, January 2023, and March 2023 are also wrong when they say it’s the exit wave in July 2023.
2) The person who said that when you catch Covid you’re then protected for 30 years, he was and is wrong.
3) The people who said that kids don’t catch it, they were wrong.
4) The people who said that everyone had already caught it in Spring 2020 and that we were all immune to it by June 2020, they were wrong.
5) The people who said that Omicron was mild, they were wrong.
6) The people who said that covid infection didn’t harm kids, they were and are wrong.
7) The people who say that people are prone to illness now because of lockdowns three years ago, they’re wrong.
8) The people who say that working from home is worse for your health than working in an office, they’re wrong.
9) The people who said the best way to stop the spread of Covid is to wash your hands, they were wrong.
10) The people who said you can’t get reinfected, they were wrong.
11) The people who said that there wouldn’t be any reinfections, and then when there were reinfections said the repercussions of them would be milder, they were wrong.
12) The people who said that Covid is over, they were wrong.
13) The people who said it was just a flu, they were wrong.
14) The people who said that everyone had to get it, they were wrong.
15) The people who said that variants would be rare, they’re wrong.
16) The people who said that it was seasonal, they were wrong.
17) The people who said that long term repercussions of Covid infections would be rare, they were wrong.
18) The people who said that vaccines would end the spread of Covid, they were wrong.
20) The people who said that it wasn’t airborne, they were wrong.
21) The people who said that covid infections don’t damage your immune system, they were wrong.
22) The people who said that Omicron was nature’s booster, they were wrong.
23) The people who said that 5g was causing the pandemic, they were wrong.
24) The people who said that the way to end the pandemic was to stop testing, they were wrong.
25) The people who said that masks don’t work were technically right if you’re talking about masks that don’t work, but if you’re talking about masks that do work worn properly, they’re wrong.
26) The people who said that kids couldn’t catch it, they were wrong.
27) The people who said that restaurants and cafés were safe, they were wrong.
28) The people who say that Covid isn’t causing heart disease, they’re wrong.
29) The people who said that it would only affect China and the Far East, they were wrong.
30) The people who said that western hospitals and healthcare would be able to cope with it, they were wrong.
31) The people who said that we should just let it rip, they were wrong.
32) The people who said that most people don’t get seriously ill from it, technically they’re right, but morally they’re wrong.
33) The people who said that Covid infections weren’t causing the increased RSV waves, they were wrong.
34) The people who said that Covid infection was safe for healthy people, they were wrong.
35) The people who said that Long Covid was a psychological problem, they were wrong.
36) The people who said that Long Covid was caused by deconditioning, they were wrong.
37) The people who said that repeat Covid infections for kids would be harmless, they were wrong.
38) The people who said that standing two metres apart meant you were safe, they were wrong.
39) The people who said that schools were not super spreaders, they were wrong.
40) The people who said that covid was solely a respiratory infection, they were wrong.
41) The people who said that we just have to get it over with, they were wrong.
42) The people who said that it would attenuate, they were wrong.
43) The people who said that we had to infect healthy children with it, they were wrong.
44) The people who said that covid infections were finite and did not persist inside you, they were wrong.
45) The people who said that we have all the tools, were technically right, but they didn’t share or use the tools, so they were wrong.
46) The people who said that covid was a hoax, they were wrong.
45) The people who said that we have all the tools, were technically right, but they didn’t share or use the tools, so they were wrong.
46) The people who said that covid was a hoax, they were wrong.
47) The people who said that covid did not cross the blood brain barrier, they were wrong.
48) The people who said that letting covid spread would be good for the economy, they were wrong.
49) The people who said that only people with pre-existing medical conditions would be at risk were technically right, except we all have pre-existing conditions, so they were wrong.
50) The people who said that the vaccine was a greater risk for kids than the virus, they were wrong.
51) The people who said that you should vax and relax, they were wrong.
52) The people who said that frequent testing made people vulnerable to Strep A, they were wrong.
53) The people who said that Long Covid doesn’t exist, they were wrong.
54) The people who said that covid infection was unavoidable, they were wrong.
55) The people who said that we’re all in this together, they were wrong.
56) The people who said that most of the effects of Covid were felt in the aging west and not in middle income and developing countries, they were wrong.
57) The people who said that covid would not mutate to evade immunity, they were wrong.
58) The people who said that we didn’t need to lockdown, they were wrong.
59) The people who said that the best thing to do was to make covid endemic, they were wrong.
60) The people who said that HEPA doesn’t help, they were wrong.
61) The people who said that ventilation doesn’t help, they were wrong.
62) The people who said that it’s safe to end isolation at five days, they were wrong.
63) The people who said that there was no such thing as a paxlovid rebound, they were wrong.
64) The people who said that molnupiravir wasn’t triggering mutations, they were wrong.
65) The people who said that covid is no longer causing serious illness, they were wrong.
66) The people who said that we need to learn to live with Covid were technically right, but they meant just catching it repeatedly forever, so they were wrong.
67) The people who said that pathogenic infections are good for children, they were wrong.
68) The people who said that the severity of the ongoing repercussions of a Covid infection depends on the severity of the initial infection, they were wrong.
69) The people who said that covid infections don’t leave you vulnerable to other opportunistic infections, they were wrong.
70) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t be chronic, they were wrong.
71) The people who said that covid couldn’t damage your brain, they were wrong.
72) The people who said that testing was pointless, they were wrong.
73) The people who said that we overreacted in 2020, they were wrong.
74) The people who said that there was no asymptomatic infection, they were wrong.
75) The people who massively overestimated asymptomatic infection, they were wrong.
76) The people who said that adults couldn’t catch Covid from children, because adults are taller than children and stand above their coughs and sneezes, they were wrong.
77) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t accelerate dementia progression, they were wrong.
78) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t dysregulate the immune system, they were wrong.
79) The people who said that Covid infections couldn’t cause or trigger autoimmune disorders, they were wrong.
80) The people who said that Covid infections couldn’t cause permanent disruption to metabolic processes, they were wrong.
81) The people who said that covid infections were beneficial, they were wrong.
82) The people who said that unvaccinated people generally have better outcomes from infections than vaccinated people, they were wrong.
83) The people who said that covid infections aren’t anyone anymore, they were wrong.
84) The people who said that covid doesn’t cause strokes, they were wrong.
85) The people who said that covid mitigations were just delaying the inevitable, they were wrong.
86) The people who said that covid infections were only dangerous because the virus was novel, they were wrong.
87) The people who said that it should be personal responsibility about whether you use mitigations, they were wrong.
88) The people who said that the people who died from covid were going to die then anyway, they were wrong.
89) The people who said that covid wouldn’t mutate past antiviral treatments, they were wrong.
90) The people who said that covid would just go away, they were wrong.
91) The people who said that you can only catch Covid from strangers, they were wrong.
92) The people who said that herd immunity would end the pandemic, they were wrong.
93) The people who said that hybrid immunity would end the pandemic, they were wrong.
94) The people who said that we had achieved herd immunity, they were wrong.
95) The people who said that all the damage of Covid infections is evident at the time of the initial infection, they were wrong.
96) The people who said that covid infection doesn’t affect developing foetuses, they were wrong.
97) The people who said that covid infections don’t cause neurological issues, they were wrong.
98) The people who said that Covid won’t affect infants developmentally, they were wrong.
99) The people who said that covid infection doesn’t affect cognitive function, they were wrong.
100) The people who said that it takes fifteen minutes to get infected with covid, they were wrong.
101) The people who said that covid particles couldn’t hang in the air for hours and then cause infections later, they were wrong.
102) The people who said that most people fully recover from long covid, they may be right, we’ve yet to find out, but they’re wrong to claim that yet.
103) The people who said that singing, shouting, aerobic activity, breathing, coughing, sneezing are not aerosolising activities, they were wrong.
104) The people who said that vaccine efficiency would not wane, they were wrong.
105) The people who said that you can tell if you’re infectious, they were wrong.
106) The people who said that covid infections do not increase your risk of death from other causes, they were wrong.
107) The people who said that covid infections do not make you vulnerable, they were wrong.
108) The people who said that waves of Covid infection no longer put again on healthcare systems, they were wrong.
109) The people who said that the cure for Long Covid was graded exercise, they were wrong.
110) The people who said that a covid infection guaranteed that you were safe from covid for months, they were wrong.
111) The people who said that people were just being hospitalised with Covid, they were wrong.
112) The people who pretended that covid didn’t exist, they were wrong.
113) The people who said that the cure for Covid was ivermectin/hcq/butthole sunning/prayer, they were wrong.
114) The people who said that covid infections didn’t cause blood clots weeks and months after the initial infection was over, they were wrong.
115) The people who said that it was impossible for covid infections to cause or accelerate cancer, or that covid infection couldn’t damage the body’s ability to fight cancer, they were wrong.
116) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t reactivate latent viruses, they were wrong.
117) The people who said that countries with x climate wouldn’t experience waves of Covid infection, they were wrong.
118) The people who said that covid can’t trigger, cause, or worsen epilepsy, they were wrong.
119) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t cause appendicitis, they were wrong.
120) The people who said that your pets couldn’t catch or be harmed by Covid, they were wrong.
121) The people who said that you had to catch Covid to strengthen your immune system, they were wrong.
122) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t cause POTS, dysautonomia, tachycardia, they were wrong.
123) The people who said that you couldn’t be infected by two different variants at the same time, they were wrong.
124) The people who said that your sense of smell always comes back if you lost it during a covid infection, they were wrong.
125) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t affect male or female fertility, they were wrong.
126) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t cause erectile dysfunction, they were wrong.
127) The people who said that covid infections aren’t causing massive excess deaths, they were wrong.
128) The people who said that covid infections wouldn’t lower life expectancy, they were wrong.
129) The people who said that there is no such thing as superspreader events, they were wrong.
130) The people who said that you just need to have faith to not catch Covid, they were wrong.
131) The people who said that talking about the pandemic makes the pandemic continue, they were wrong, except for the case of when someone with Covid is talking to someone else without covid about the pandemic, thereby giving them covid.
132) The people who said that covid was evolving into a dead end branch that would end the pandemic, so far they’re wrong.
133) The people who said that immunity by infection is better than immunity by vaccination, they were wrong.
134) The people who said that covid infections would not have a significant effect on the economy because only a small proportion of people become sick straight away, they were wrong.
135) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t cause permanent damage to the immune system, they were wrong.
136) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t present like a stomach bug, they were wrong.
137) The people who said that Long Covid is caused by lockdowns or masks or anxiety or anything other than covid infection, they were wrong.
138) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t dysregulate your gut microbiome, they were wrong.
139) The people who blamed other viruses for the damage done by Covid infections, they were wrong.
140) The people who said that Long Covid doesn’t cause fatigue, they were wrong.
141) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t damage the autonomic nervous system, they were wrong.
142) The people who said that covid infections couldn’t cause endothelial dysfunction, they were wrong.
143) The person who told me that covid particles couldn’t travel across a room because they had to obey the laws of physics, he was wrong.
144) The person who said I can’t wear this mask forever, they were wrong.
145) The people who said that we should take it on the chin, they were wrong.
146) The people who said that the mental health consequences of lockdown were worse than the consequences of COVID, they were wrong.
147) The people who said that covid variants couldn’t spontaneously combine to form recombinant variants, they were wrong.
148) The person who said that you could inject people with bleach and/or light, he was wrong, and impeached twice (for something else).
149) The people who said that mask wearing only protects the people around you, they were wrong.
150) The people who said that you couldn’t catch or transmit Covid after you were vaccinated, they were wrong.
151) The people who said that the t-cells would protect us, they were wrong.
152) The people who said that surface contact was the primary mode of transmission, they were wrong.
153) The people who said that we need to keep a constant rolling wave of infection to prevent peaks that overwhelm healthcare, they were wrong.
154) The people who said that covid infection doesn’t cause vasculitis, they were wrong.
155) The people who said that asthmatics were at less risk from Covid, they were wrong.
156) The people who said that Covid infections couldn’t fuse brain cells together, they were wrong.
157) The people who thought that pharmaceutical treatments would be a panacea for the repercussions of Covid infections, they were wrong.
158) The people who said that Covid infections couldn’t cause embolisms, they were wrong.
159) The people who said that the only way to prevent infections was to get infected, they were wrong, obviously.
160) The people who said that the repercussions of covid infections were rare, they were wrong.
161) The people who endlessly made a fuss about the difference between dying with covid and of covid and from covid and by covid weren’t so much wrong as just trying to confuse things, but they were also wrong about loads of other things, so they were wrong.
162) The people who said that a Covid infection couldn’t affect every part of your body, they were wrong.
163) The people who said that Covid infection couldn’t be behind a massive increase in the number of people suffering atrial fibrillation, they were wrong.
164) The people who said that the people trying not to catch covid were prolonging the pandemic, they were wrong.
165) The people who compared SARSCov2 with a cold rather than with SARSCoV1, they were wrong.
166) The people who said that patients need to see their doctors’ smiles, they were wrong.
167) The people who said that Covid infections couldn’t hurt athletes, they were wrong.
168) The people who said that everyone who needs to can take action to protect themselves, they were wrong.
169) The people who said that their right to experience pleasure was more important than other people’s right to life, they were wrong.
170) The people who said that Covid didn’t cause brain fog, they were wrong.
171) The people who were baffled why they kept on catching an endless string of infections, they were wrong to be baffled.
172) The people who said that hybrid immunity was robust and long lasting, they were wrong.
173) The people who said that each variant would be the last variant, they were wrong.
174) The people who said that plastic screens would be a suitable protection against a virus that moves like smoke, they were wrong.
175) The people who said that covid did not persist in children’s lymph glands including tonsils, they were wrong.
176) The people who said that Covid infections didn’t cause microclotting, they were wrong.
177) The people who said that Covid couldn’t infect cartilage and persist in it, they were wrong.
178) The people who said that Covid had been defanged, they were wrong.
179) The people who said that hospitalisation with Covid was trivial, they were wrong.
180) The people who said that vaccines would stop people developing Long Covid after a covid infection, they were wrong.
181) The people who said that mass infection would not be a problem after vaccines because only a small percentage of people would be seriously ill, were right about the small percentage, but about the overall effect they were wrong.
182) The people who said that they were doing everything they could to protect the elderly and vulnerable, they were wrong.
183) The people who said that we just needed cotton masks to protect against transmission via droplets when transmission was actually via aerosols, they were wrong.
184) The same people who then went on to say that ‘masks’ (cotton masks, not designed to stop aerosols) don’t work, they were right about cotton masks, but wrong about ffp2/n95+ respirators.
185) The people who said that we don’t need to worry about Covid infections any more, they were wrong.
186) The people who said that covid would not evolve to become more transmissible, they were wrong.
187) The people who said that covid would not evolve, they were wrong.
188) The people who said that you can’t catch Covid outdoors, they were wrong.
189) The people who said you can only catch Covid face to face, they were wrong.
190) The people who said that you could only catch Covid in the winter, they were wrong.
191) The people who said that you don’t need to assess risk or employ mitigations outside, they were wrong.
192) The people who said that Covid couldn’t destabilise the cells that manage your bones, they were wrong.
193) The people who said that covid couldn’t travel round corners, she was wrong.
194) The people who said that only people with underlying conditions were dying, they were wrong.
195) The people who said that the severity of acute infections was the principal metric for the progression of the pandemic, they were wrong.
196) The people who said that covid infections were only ‘burning the dry tinder’, they were wrong.
197) The people who said that they had put a ‘ring of steel’ around the elderly and vulnerable, he was wrong.
198) The people who said that facemasks could increase the risk of catching Covid, she was wrong.
199) The people who said that children were more likely to die from a lightning strike than Covid, she was wrong.
200) The people who said that a Covid death would be “a relatively peaceful end”, they were wrong.
201) The people who said that kids were more likely to be hit by a bus than catch Covid, she was wrong.
202) The people who said that Covid had become just a cold, they were wrong.
203) The people who said that there was no transmission by asymptomatic infections, they were wrong.
204) The people who said that there was no need for boosters, they were wrong.
205) The people who said that Omicron infection would not cause Long Covid, they were wrong.
206) The people who said that Covid infection could not trigger programmed cell death, they were wrong.
207) The people who said that we should copy Sweden, they were wrong.
208) The people who say we should all just trust our unprimed immune system to defeat covid infections, they were wrong.
209) The people who implied that death is the only bad outcome of Covid infection, they were wrong.
210) The people who said that it was safe to fly on aeroplanes, they were wrong.
211) The people who said that you were more likely to die of flu, they were wrong.
212) The people who said that respirators and hepa couldn’t trap airborne virus particles because the virions were too small, they were wrong.
213) The people who demanded a randomised controlled trial for engineered solutions like respirators, they were wrong.
214) The people who equated anti-infection with anti-vaccine, they were wrong.
215) The people who were pro-infection, they were wrong.
216) The people who said that Covid is a seasonal virus so you should catch it repeatedly, as opposed to other pathogens like HIV and TB, they were wrong.
217) The people who said you should be exposed to Covid by infection regularly so that you don’t lose your immunity to it, they were wrong.
David Caldicott@ACTINOSProject Jul 5:
Magnificent thread.
Some who were wrong were simply mistaken.
But many ‘knew’ they were wrong, when they said what they were saying.
Them?
They’re culpable.
ExtroSpecteur@ExtroSpecteur Jul 4:
Great list – a litany of failure and deceit by people STILL in positions of authority and trust.
james gallagher@peggydearey Jul 4:
This thread is so sad. We have all been let down. Corporates and evil governments have screwed the world. Money is indeed the root of all evil.We live in a me me me world and few listen.U’ve done your best Tern. No one can fault you. U reach out, the unwilling don’t care to hear.
I understand the risk.: Steve Thompson.@Steviesword Jul 4:
This is an awful thing of beauty.
Champion work.
David Eccles @gringene_bio Jul 4:
I think you might have worked out how to break through Twitter’s suppression algorithms…
It’s a glorious sight to see.
Katrin Grünwald@phoebedaphne Jul 5:
All the people who trust(ed) in these people – are utterly wrong.
Christian Bernhard Hagen@cb_hagen Jul 4:
Formidable thread. I dared not “like” all its tweets, for fear of running into some algorithm, but BRAVO!
Natalie Kroonenburg@NatKroo12 Jul 4:
In many cases “wrong” is too benign a take on it. Many of these people were out-and-out liars!
Climate Action 196+weekly covid deaths AUS@ClimateActionN8 Jul 5:
The chief health officer in Australia who said in 2021 that omicron was an early Christmas gift . He was wrong .
Henry Hollis@Henare_ Jul 5:
Several of these ‘wrongs’ helped to kill my Mother and my Mother-in-law in 2022. So so any and all covid deniers can just fuck off, and better hope I’m in a good mood, if they spout off anywhere near me.
Gary Naham @GarythatNaham Jul 4:
… The best thread on Covid-19 I have seen on Twitter?
Easily. … Super depressingly great threat though. Well done, Tern!
Tom Andrews@0bj3ctivity Jul 15:
I’ve seen COVID & long COVID cause so much heartbreaking harm over the past three years, but it’s still a shock to see that Roman Kostomarov, Olympic figure skating champion, has lost the two feet that led him to the Olympic victory in Turin in 2006
The Russian figure skater has won the fight for his life, after being in very serious condition in recent months.
A coronavirus infection that seemed manageable turned into severe pneumonia in January, followed by stroke, brain hemorrhage and severe circulatory disturbances.
In addition to his feet, the two-time world champion also had two fingers on his left hand amputated.
Now begins a gradual return to life the former European champion unable to yet wear the special prosthetics made for him. …
He’s still only 46, and was still performing
Gutwrenching to read
… A coronavirus infection that seemed manageable turned into severe pneumonia in January, followed by stroke, brain hemorrhage and severe circulatory disturbances. In addition to his feet, the two-time world champion also had two fingers on his left hand amputated. …
2023 06 30: Olympic Champion Shows His Hands After Amputation: How Roman Kostomarov Recovers with Prosthetic Devices
Teresa Maritano-Aquino@TMaritanoAquino Jul 16:
This is heartbreaking. Since learning that athletes make more nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, whenever I read of yet another athlete taken down so severely by Covid, it lends more credence to the hypothesis of [the virus] blocking this circuitry.
Shelby * ULTRA ANTIFA * Thor’s GIF Queen@cannabananaRN:
We’re going to be seeing more of this sadly
Priceless2020 #FBLC @Priceless20201:
What’s sad is that this was happening to people in 2020 but we are still ignoring those stories thinking it won’t be us or ours affected until it is. Society USED to be better than this. 1 or 2 people is one too many
Priceless2020 #FBLC @Priceless20201:
This is happening to so many but doctors who don’t know how to treat the condition and say its ‘novel’ are OK with saying the symptoms are related to anxiety or mental health. …
Tom Andrews@0bj3ctivity:
“Our findings suggest that once T cells become exhausted, they remain fundamentally ‘wired’ to be exhausted—thus it may be hard to get them to become effective virus- and cancer-fighters again”
(Translation: “immunity debt” is bullshit)
Penn Medicine Discovery Clarifies the Problem of T-Cell “Exhaustion”
AJ Leonardi, MBBS, PhD@fitterhappierAJ Jul 15, 2023:
“The researchers found that most of the exhausted T cells died when they were no longer exposed to LCMV”
I sure hope that doesn’t happen with exhausted T cells no longer exposed to SARS Cov 2 …
They were wrong about herd immunity via infection when I said it would not be met in 2020. The evidence came later.
The immunologists willing to speak elaborated about a herd immunity threshold by infection which did not exist. https://bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563
It was at that time that I said no such threshold would be met by infection because the dominant effect was immune escape and evolution rather than immunity. I heard of a few that literally wept when Omicron emerged and were beside themselves.
The difference between a mere experimentalist and a scientist with scientific imagination, is that one can theorize with mental models in order to project and anticipate likely scenarios from the unknown.
Now the question is, what is the benefit of subject expertise, and does one have a moral obligation for disclosure of risk- a ‘duty of candor,’ as it were. If you speak out you risk alienating yourself and being wrong. However, the consequences of not accurately appreciating the outcome of the path we were headed on seemed to outweigh the selfish interests of keeping my head down and not opposing many Senior and serious immunologists who anticipated widespread immunity rather than disability and harm.
This is why I warned in 2020 that we risked widespread T cell exhaustion, which would have its own set of consequences, due to widespread covid. I also claimed reinfections would be significant due to the intrinsic pathogenicity of the virus and the substantial immune evasion. I also claimed each infection was aging the T cell repertoire broadly. I also said life expectancy would drop significantly, something I was opposed for.
The leaders in the field were so confident, they called the hypotheses and warnings, ‘nonsense.’
Currently, there is very little in the field that I would disagree with.
1) You all have accepted that there is no herd immunity to sars cov 2 by infection 2) you all have seen the decreased life expectancy 3) you all have seen reinfections are not like a cold or flu like Baric said they would be 4) you all accept there is widespread Long Covid and its pathognomonic T cell exhaustion (I never claimed to originate the idea, but I was willing to say it would be a significant risk to the population
What you and others oppose me about is the role of ‘immunity gap’ in the population when it comes to unseasonally more severe and predominant illness, while I claim there is a harm to the immune system from Covid that can account for these effects
The ‘evidence’ of what I would project by mechanism must be seen epidemiologically, and it is being seen
1) The BMJ published individuals who had covid were at greater risk of Strep Tonsillitis https://bmj.com/content/380/bmj-2022-072529
2) Chinese scientists found that children who had severe RSV were more likely to have tested positive for Sars Cov 2 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37292931/
Those mechanisms would include lower pDCs among convalescents, T cell exhaustion, anergy, and lymphopenia secondary to sars cov 2
I understand if many do not take me seriously. I was brushed off as an alarmist when I said there would be no herd immunity, there would be widespread T cell exhaustion, and that life expectancy would fall. However, given all of their errors and the behavior of people like yourself, including the arrogance and dismissiveness of people like Carlos Del Rio, Vincent Rajkumar, Vincent Raccaniello, the incessant pronouncements of herd immunity by people like Monica Gandhi and others, and the false reassurances that Long Covid would be rare and have decreased rates of reinfections by the top immunologist in the United States, I no longer take all your opinions seriously as well.
And thus the question is this-
Did immunologists not opposing the idea we would reach herd immunity fail to oppose it because of error or because they lacked the moral fortitude to oppose the field?
Either scenario they failed at their greatest calling of the century
Chris Alvino@ChrisAlvino:
I still can’t get over HOW MANY immunologists were pushing herd immunity. Glad you saved some of the receipts though. You’ve been doing the good work as a scientist with true scientific imagination, a trait severely lacking in too many right now
Terra @VanIsleVeggie:
Well, I suppose when you’re dead you have a “super immunity” of sorts…
Terri Brandmueller@tbrandmueller Feb 4, 2022:
The body language here is disturbing. She actually does a little puppy dog wiggle when she says “super immune” Do her comms people not review these videos with her? Ugh
Tannis Bell @TannisBell1 Feb 4, 2022:
The info I have is that infection can weaken the immune system & lead to greater susceptibility to reinfection.
There’s no upside to being infected. “Super-immunity”? What comic book did she get that from?
Henry is a danger to people’s health & well-being & must be terminated.
In my view, that’ll never happen. Dr. Henry’s job appears to be to destroy public health in Canada, and sees/saw sickening as many as possible with COVID as an efficient way to do that, serving for-profit/private health corporate buddies, thus why she constantly promotes lies putting people and public health at risk. Telus Health anyone?
Christine Guenter@ChristineGuent8 Feb 4, 2022:
She’s “Monica Gandhi North…” So very wrong and extremely irresponsible. I have a friend going through cancer treatment, saw this, and seriously thought about getting infected to boost her immunity. I’ve had to literally scream from the rooftops, NO! But Bonnie said it…SO!
Fascinating@fasc1nate Jul 14, 2023:
What do you think was the most successful lie ever told?
Radical Centrist, wrathful tantric deity @RadCentrism:
That a pandemic pathogen which kills 22+ million in its first 3.5 years is super mild.Along with “frac’ing is perfectly safe and helps the environment.”
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Radical Centrist, wrathful tantric deity @RadCentrism:
Everyone who lied (or was publicly an idiot about) ‘natural immunity’ against SARS2 accelerated the rise of this lunatic.Kennedy Jr. is as untrustworthy and dishonest as our public health officers trying to infect us all with SARSC0V2. Kennedy Jr. lied about and pimped frac’ing (said it was good for the environment) serving big oil and gas, along with Sierra Club (got caught accepting $26 million in secret donations, aka bribes, from frac’ers, mostly Chesapeake) and other NGOs.
“‘I do not believe that infectious disease is an enormous threat to human health,’ Kennedy added”
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sef_lopod@sef_lopod:
The complications will be getting less rare and healthy transplants ever more scarce….
There’s already a shortage of antibiotics.
Laura Miers@LauraMiers:
He is still in the ICU.
“Osian was not aware he had Covid when he first became unwell and was taken to A&E. He went on to have three heart attacks…”
2023 07 16: Covid: Teen’s heart transplant after rare complication
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Malgorzata (Gosia) Gasperowicz@GosiaGasperoPhD Jul 16, 2023:
A must read. One of the best texts about pandemic.
Discusses the fundamental topic: the shift in framework of dealing with epidemic/pandemic.
Dissects the misleading narrative of “flattening the curve”. And the inhumane policy of not primarily protecting people’s health.
One of the sentences that I find darkly insightful:
“While the ostensible goal was to reduce overall casualties, it was not to prevent a huge number of deaths and serious long-term disability, only to stretch it out in time to make it more acceptable to society.”
Memory from my backyard:
In Alberta in 2020/21 some influential ppl were vehemently & effectively obstructing pro-elimination framework advocacy.
Proposing instead that 300-400 daily cases was ok. Which means 3-4 daily deaths, ~30-80 ppl per day ending up with LongCovid
Per 4.3 M
AJ Leonardi, MBBS, PhD@fitterhappierAJ jul 16, 2023:
It’s taboo to mention Covid as a cause of brain fog in Sweden because they pursued herd immunity by infection with intent
David Steadson #NAFO @DavidSteadson jul 16, 2023:
One of Sweden’s top newspapers today, @aftonbladet.
“200000 affected. How you can get rid of Brain Fog. The expert’s methods. Symptoms.”
Anyone want to guess what is not mentioned once?
jorgenponder — om coronavirusepidemin@jorgenponder jul 16:
In the ensuing thread it is noted that near the end, “connections”, to “so called postcovid” is mentioned.
But generally speaking, Swedish media has the subject as taboo. The recent Swedish postcovid study published in The Lancet is ignored in the news.
Hiroshi Yasuda (保田浩志)@Yash25571056:
Imagine a world where everyone is fatigued.
It would be like the whole society turned into a nursing home where there is no staff to take care of you.
chaos and confrontation@rowanlou1312:
covid is a bioweapon like weed killer is a bioweapon. it’s obviously fucking poison, yet swaths of privileged ppl willfully spread it wherever the fuck they please to fall in line with the status quo. they’ll sooner kill their kids than allow a dandelion or wear a mask.
The Babel Fish@TheBabelFish1:
The people trying to get you to let your guard down will not be there for you when you get sick.