Stephen Miller says Charlie Kirk is in heaven. That’s sweet propaganda on steroids for pro kid-raping, gun worshipping, pro kid-killing Repuglicans.
If there is anywhere humans go after death, I think Nazis like Kirk, that gain privilege, favours and power from the Trump KKK Regime, and profit $millions for promoting hate and mass shootings, go to hell.
Sotomayor rebukes calls to ‘criminalize free speech’ in apparent swipe at Pam Bondi by Erica Orden, Sept 16, 2025, Politico
The justice, in public remarks, didn’t name the attorney general, who has come under fire for comments to target people over “hate speech.”
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“Every time I listen to a lawyer-trained representative saying we should criminalize free speech in some way, I think to myself, that law school failed,” Sotomayor said while speaking on a panel Tuesday morning at New York Law School. Bondi has come under fire for her comments Monday on a podcast hosted by Katie Miller, the wife of White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller.
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On Tuesday, just prior to Sotomayor’s comments, Bondi walked back her remarks to Miller, writing in an X post that “hate speech that crosses the line into threats of violence is NOT protected by the First Amendment.” …
During the panel, Sotomayor never mentioned Bondi or President Donald Trump by name, but at times appeared to obliquely criticize the administration.
Answering a question about how schools can balance teaching the mechanics of government with encouraging critical thinking, she asked, “do we understand what the difference is between a king and a president?”
“I think if people understood these things from the beginning, they would be more informed as to what would be important in a democracy in terms of what people can or should not do. But you can’t make or criticize until you understand the reasoning behind the structure.”
Later, she suggested that the rule of law is under threat. …
Sotomayor offered a bleak assessment of the current state of affairs, saying “adults have really messed” up the country. …
@sashafury.blackskycomra.de:
I have a new piece out today!
I wrote about how Prime Minister Mark Carney embraces political violence, seemingly at every turn.
Carney embraces political violence to such a degree that I couldn’t even fit it all in. And Parliament gave a standing ovation for a Nazi in the House (again!).
Mark Carney’s Embrace of Political Violence & His Honouring of Charlie Kirk by Sasha Fury, Sep 16, 2025, Avant-Garde Editorials
Following the shooting of American Christian white nationalist and fascist Charlie Kirk on Sept 10, Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney honoured Kirk in a shameful tweet that sidestepped Kirk’s complicity in extremist political violence.
Two years previous, then Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and other MPs were widely, rightfully condemned for applauding, in Parliament, Ukrainian-Canadian Jaroslav Hunka who had fought in the Nazi’s SS-Division Galicia. And it was merely a few years before this that the public was outraged over Trudeau’s brownface. Yet in the time since, it’s somehow become acceptable for a prime minister to publicly honour a fascist and white supremacist like Kirk. Not only this, but five days following Carney’s tweet, Conservative MP Rachael Thomas gave a full-throated speech in memory of Kirk in Parliament, for which she was given a standing ovation.
Given the commemorations coming from Canada’s political class, you would be forgiven for assuming Kirk was an honourable head of state. You would be wrong.
Kirk is a glorified Internet troll who became so good at drumming up nationalist hate for difference of almost any kind that he became a key element in the Trump propaganda machine, leading directly to the current regime in the United States. He peddled antisemitic conspiracy theories and xenophobia, propagated the “great replacement theory,” blamed the epidemic of American mass shootings on trans people and called for lynchings of trans people, insisted on the biological inferiority of Black people, condemned the Civil Rights Act, celebrated white pride and white supremacy, and profited immensely from his shilling of hate.
That Carney would defend someone like Kirk shouldn’t be surprising. The two have much in common, not least that they are both often defended as figures of civility who nevertheless insist on nationalist xenophobia and authoritarianism while working to ensure profit for the privileged few.
In his tweet, Carney said, “I am appalled by the murder of Charlie Kirk. There is no justification for political violence and every act of it threatens democracy.” Certainly, it would be entirely reasonable for a prime minister to condemn political violence as a threat to democracy, but the thing is that Mark Carney has an established track record for embracing and ignoring antidemocratic political violence, the kind Kirk belligerently built a career fostering and profiting from.
Though Carney has been Prime Minister for mere months, his history of complicity in political violence has already exceeded what I can address in this article, but it includes his own authoritarianism and attacks on rights, those he collaborates with and invites into his circle, the violence he refuses to comment on, and his own government’s contempt for equality.
Only a week before the tweet, Mark Carney invited Heritage Foundation president, white supremacist, and architect of the U.S. fascist regime, Kevin Roberts to a closed-door cabinet meeting. Though Roberts cancelled that meeting, the PMO publicly declared its commitment to an ongoing collaboration with Roberts.
Roberts’ Heritage Foundation is responsible for the Project 2025 blueprint that would aggressively reshape American democracy into full-throated fascism.
Project 2025 has contributed to and called for mass deportations, a genocide of trans people, elimination of queer rights, attacks on civil rights, ending abortion funding, expansions of presidential powers, elimination of the Department of Education, attacks on freedom of the press, eradication of climate change mitigation, and much more.
In June, Carney invited Indian nationalist Prime Minister Narendra Modi to the G7 summit in Alberta despite that Modi is implicated in the political assassination on Canadian soil of Canadian Sikh Hardeep Singh Nijjar. Further, Carney’s political opponent Jagmeet Singh, then NDP leader, had been under surveillance by an Indian agent who was monitoring Jagmeet Singh’s daily movements. The PMO, though, refused to comment on India’s surveillance of Singh, citing at the time of the G7 that Canada’s economic relationship with India was more important than either India’s politically targeted killing or its surveillance of the leader of one of Canada’s major political parties.
Apparently, Carney is fine with political violence when it threatens his political opponents or, as we see over and over, if that political violence is enacted by those he wishes to do business with.
Carney has established that he has no interest in protecting democracy, Canadian or otherwise. Since winning the election, Carney has attacked Canadian democracy at every turn and attempted to appease Donald Trump, including by sacrificing Canadian sovereignty and democracy to American interests—for instance, by letting the U.S. regime dictate what Canada may or may not legislate.
Carney won the election largely on a promise to stand up to Trump. However, his insistence on framing the U.S. as merely an unreliable trading partner rather than as an emerging fascist regime that both threatens the world over and imposes political violence on those within the U.S. means that Carney’s attempts to get closer with Trump has resulted in shocking Canadian complicities with U.S. fascism.
There are now 150 Canadians, including two toddlers, held in 34 ICE concentration camps across the U.S. as part of Trump’s attempts to purge immigrants from the country. Carney has refused to comment on these Canadian political prisoners, presumably in an attempt to not upset trade relationships. In contrast to this silence from Ottawa, we might recall the great deal of hubbub over the two Michaels detained by China.
Neither has Carney objected to Trump’s disappearing of immigrants and U.S. citizens via ICE raids and clandestine “law enforcement.” Nor does Carney have a problem with Trump’s military occupations of Washington D.C. and Los Angeles. While Carney finds it worthy to comment on Kirk, he offers no objection to political occupation at the metropolitan or national scale.
For Carney, political violence is fine if it serves corporate interests or is committed by governments he wishes to do business with.
While Carney’s acquiescence to Trump’s national and fascist political violence has become a matter of course, this is also is unsurprising since Trump’s and Carney’s policies reflect each other.
Like Trump, Carney has embraced mass deportation and the shutting of border to immigrants, especially to refugees and asylum seekers. Like Trump, Carney also blames the country’s ills, like the housing crisis and unprecedented income inequality, on immigrants. Under Carney, families and individuals with the right to enter Canada have been turned back and as a consequence are now imprisoned in ICE facilities.
Carney, like Trump, has begun attacking gender equality and diversity by slashing Women and Gender Equality (WAGE) funding by 80% and collaborating with the U.S. regime to reduce the rights of transgender Canadians.Herr Carney has a trans daughter! Does he think because he’s rich, she won’t come to harm? Nasty fucker.
Just as crucial are Carney’s attacks on labour, including how he attempted to break the Air Canada Strike within mere hours. Inequality in Canada is worse than ever, which will only worsen given Carney has made it abundantly clear that corporate interests are supreme in Canada.
Meanwhile, Carney’s tabled Bill C2 is introducing sweeping new police and state surveillance powers that will both limit the ability of the public to oppose Carney’s regime and intensify Carney’s already violent and xenophobic deportation agenda. Meanwhile the Liberals are planning on introducing legislation to limit public protest in Canada.
All this is political violence, as is Carney’s assault on climate change mitigation and Indigenous rights via the Building Canada Act. All of us across Canada, but especially in the prairies, have just endured a record-breaking summer of wildfires. Yet Carney is slashing environmental protections and ramping up oil, gas, and mineral extraction, which will only increase the effects of climate change. As we all increasingly struggle to breathe and survive climate change, we must remember that this is a political violence inflicted upon us and the planet by Carney and his corporate ilk who prioritize profit over the planet and all life on it.
So pardon me as I scoff at Carney’s hollow and self-congratulatory pretense of opposing political violence in his tribute to the American fascist Charlie Kirk. Contrary to his supposed objection to political violence, all Mark Carney seems to do is welcome political violence, white supremacism, and authoritarianism.
@404media.co:
The Department of Justice has removed a study showing that white supremacist and far-right violence “continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism” in the United States.
www.404media.co/doj-deletes-…
@amirattaran.bsky.social:
THE NDP AND LIBERALS GAVE A STANDING OVATION FOR MISOGYNISTIC, RACIST, CHARLIE KIRK. What the actual fuck.
Their true colours are no different from Conservatives.
There’s not a single incumbent in the House who I would vote for after this.
When a brown guy kills, he’s a “terrorist”, but when a white guy kills, “find Jesus Christ”. Republicans have rocks for brains.
@brucearthur.bsky.social:
The standing ovation in Parliament today to honour Charlie Kirk was one of the most embarrassing things I’ve ever seen from that building, and I gotta tell you, that list is long
@charlieangus104.bsky.social:
Charlie Kirk’s death was a tragedy.
But he built his name on provocation and white supremacy.
He said that gun deaths of innocents was “worth it.”
On Mark Carney’s first day as PM in Parliament Liberals gave Kirk a standing ovation.
Ceding ground to extremism won’t make them nicer.
@whiskeyhorse.bsky.social:
Agree. This was an error borne of cowardice.
@hilarywollis.bsky.social:
appeasement is NEVER a winning strategy.
@bobbyangelini.bsky.social:
That’s very disappointing from the House of Commons. They had no business even recognizing Kirk. They owe Canada an apology.
@goonda13.bsky.social:
I agree.
@verasapientia.bsky.social:
F’kers! IAM starting to regret my vote.
@mcaulayvicky.bsky.social:
I’ve sent a post to the PM expressing my disgust with this gesture. To stand to honour this American white supremacist is absolute lunacy. He held no political office, nor a real job, but earned money by duping the vulnerable into donating to his cause of hate.
@canadianheart.bsky.social:
Carney you do not speak for Canada on this! You can cry in a closet for all I care but Kirk was a hate monger and no hero to any of us. You made a terrible mistake today in judgement and I expect you to explain this to our country it’s a huge error
Kirk was everything that Canada is not.
@rainsend.bsky.social:
Kirk was a deplorable man. Honoring him is to give trumpet to his hatred and his anger. That is not us. In fact, we oppose his expressed beliefs.
@wandavanisle.bsky.social:
This is outrageous. I am furious. Yes oppose political violence, but Kirk spewed hate speech, not ‘a political opinion.’ And he wasn’t Canadian. Stop platforming this racist bigot.
Did the PM himself stand for this?Yes, the douche fucking Zionistiche Nazi did; taking advantage of the hideous man and his murder to further Nazify Canadians. Hideous unforgivable shit from Carney and his inhumane hate-filled Pee Pee Harper Party.
@bobbyangelini.bsky.social:
Kirk promoted violence.
@hawkhawkins1.bsky.social:
What the hell is wrong with these people? He had nothing to do with Canada! I call foul! Shame on you who brought up his name! Shame on anyone who stood or cheered. You should have stamped your feet and raised your fists and shouted “No More Guns! No more violence!” Grow some balls parliament!!!
@bluenoserjo.bsky.social:
I couldn’t agree more. Why is this even an issue here? After an initial denunciation of any political violence, it reverts to being an internal US matter. I’m already sick of seeing nonstop coverage of it from CANADIAN media.
@mondoab.bsky.social:
Getting harder and harder to differentiate the Conservatives from the Liberals. I’m disgusted. Have voted L in the past strategically, but along with Carney’s neoliberal tendencies, I’ll spoil my vote before voting L again.
Electoral Reform is needed!
juliec2.bsky.social:
Wtaf…although his death is completely wrong and I feel so sorry for his loved ones…there is no place for standing ovations in other parliaments, they can post on social media their points of view ..no need for this in the chamber
@anne-azon.bsky.social:
It was frankly disgusting and abhorrent.
@avided.bsky.social:
JFC I don’t like where this is headed
@xstompyx.bsky.social:
No, this is awful. WTF?!?!
joepublic.bsky.social:
Look. I understand the Canadian gov’t doesn’t want to piss off the orange monkey, but there are limits. He should not have been murdered like he was, but also lets not rewrite who Charlie Kirk was. He was divisive, a racist, a misogynist. His far-right views should not be celebrated.
@garamas.bsky.social:
I have written my MP. I am appalled by this. There are honourable Canadians who die every day and not receive this honour. Shame on all who applauded.
@ocanadaeh.bsky.social:
I don’t know about tragedy. I get that you have to say that. This man epitomized fascism. Personally, I hate fascists and really can’t find a lot of compassion for them. I don’t want them in my country. I don’t want to invite them to retreats. I don’t want them infiltrating our government.Too late. Carney is a Harper Nazi, anti democracy, anti Charter, anti-Canada, anti-Indigenous, anti-environment, misogynistic Zionistiche Douche. To my horror, Canadians happily voted for Harper2, for fascism.
@boatertom.bsky.social:
Charlie Kirk was a media personality, not a politician, who spewed misogynistic, discriminatory, racist, and hateful dogma. He was unworthy of mention.
I would have been more impressed if parliament had mentioned the violent death of Melissa Hartman and her husband, Mark for context, instead.
@neilforreal.bsky.social:
Jesus fucking Christ, Liberals are applauding American racism? I mean, they honoured a literal Nazi, but we could accept that it was just a vetting fuck-up. But they can’t pretend they don’t know about Kirk’s racism, misogyny, and homophobia. What the fuck are they doing???Carney is finishing what Harper failed to, and that is destroy Canada to give her riches to billionaires and Nazi USA:
2014 (Herr Hideous Harper was PM) cartoon
@rouge06iamme.bsky.social:
Charlier Kirk was an unrepentant racist, transphobe, homophobe, and misogynist who often wrapped his bigotry in Bible verses because there was no other way to pretend that it was morally correct. Shame on you @mark-carney.bsky.social @liberalca.bsky.social
@hilarywollis.bsky.social:
I was appalled and disgusted.
WHY would any Canadian stoop to associate themselves with a vile peddler of hate? Especially in the House of Commons?!
Appeasement is NEVER a winning strategy.
VIMYNOTVICHY
@calgarycanuck.bsky.social:
This on the same day that Danielle Smith and the UCP FASCISTS in Alberta announced that they will be marking an individuals citizenship status on drivers licenses so that non citizens regardless of their legal status can more easily be targeted.
@kitchieg.bsky.social:
What?
@cassandradrum.bsky.social:
It’s a cult and our PM endorsed it with this move. I’m sick.
Half-staffs and mandated mourning by Ann Telnaes, Sep 16, 2025
I’ve been on the road again talking about free speech & editorial cartooning when the news broke of the Charlie Kirk shooting. The White House didn’t waste any time ordering the American flag to be flown at half-staff for 4 days while Vice-president Vance urged Americans to harass and intimidate anyone who is perceived not to have sufficiently mourned the death of the right wing podcaster. Trump’s Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller vowed to go after the “vast domestic terrorist network” who he claims is reponsible for the killing and Attorney General Pam Bondi says she’s going to crack down on “hate speech” (does this woman even know there is no law banning hate speech)?
Lawrence Gottlieb:
Evil little Don Don; this picture is worth 10,000 words!
Barry Gerber:
Trump just sued the New York Times for $15 billion for defamation and libel. Key harm? Endorsing Kamala Harris and opposing him editorially. Now is the time for a civil suit against Trump for all the damages his defaming lies and libel have done to Americans who do not support him. The suit should be for $75 trillion – $1,000,000 for each person who voted for Harris. The Supreme Court ruling that you can’t try a sitting President for official acts while in office should not apply here, since defaming and libeling opponents are not official acts of a president of the United States.
Rachel Simon:
Multi-layered brilliance, a great political cartoon.
Palsied tRump in knickers as JFK, Jr saluting the death of Democracy.
George:
Ann, this is satire at its best. Well done.
Phil NC:
Trump’s shameless ego illustrated. Trump is that egotistical to imagine himself and Kirk in the persons of “John John” and JFK. Never would such bigoted louts be equivalent to the widely and genuinely loved and respected , President Kennedy and his son.
Cybèle Vlamis:
I get your point. I just wish it could have been made without tarnishing a child honouring his father’s passing. I guess that’s what makes it so powerful, that it turns my stomach.
Phil NC:
Well said.
mackb909:
Kind of a slap at the memory of JFK Jr. when he was known as “John-John.”
Ann Telnaes:
It’s not about JFK Jr. It’s a comment about the White House manipulating the killing of Kirk to attack Trump’s political opposition.
Don G:
I do not condone murder, however, Charlie Kirk was a vile piece of trash and I will not mourn his passing. The fact that Trump and Vance continue to act like Kirk was some great human deserving of adoration only shows their own character flaws. And if that imbecile, Pam Bondi, wants to prosecute hateful speech she should first target Trump. And while we are on the topic of imbeciles can you find an example better then Kash Patel. Please let all of this just be a bad dream!
Roger Fradenburgh:
If Bondi is serious about “cracking down on hate speech,” First Amendment be damned, the White House would be a good place to start.
Meanwhile, the sociopath she works for seems utterly unaware it’s the aforementioned First Amendment that made it possible for Kirk to promote his vile bigotry.
Rona:
Brava Ann! We have so much anger we need to choose where to place it. No half-staff for Melissa Hortman or the Judge’s 20 year old son and so many others. These people have lost their minds if they had any to begin with.
@juddlegum.bsky.social:
Charlie Kirk was a champion of free speech and anyone who says otherwise will be fired
@yvrdaniel.bsky.social:
Super bothered by the standing ovations they gave CK in the House of Commons today…Carney is a Nazi, the sooner Canadians accept that, the sooner we’ll be rid of him and his evil, and his horrific harms to us and our country.
Got me thinking about “freedom of expression” and started some reading about that, hate speech, and the Charter…
Can’t help but think that the implication is that many MPs clapped for hate speech.Me too.
normalisland.co.uk:
I’m not American so I don’t know much about Charlie Kirk, but one thing I have learned over the past two days is that if you post about him, you get an awful lot of death threats from the people who oppose political violence
@spooked75 Sep 14:
I have spent the last 3 days painfully sitting through Charlie Kirk debates. Here are my conclusions:
He was a political grifter pandering to his MAGA base for personal and monetary gain.
He purposely chose divisive topics to maintain relavence.
His videos were manipulated, only showing arguments where Kirk was succesful
When facing actual intellectuals or prepared students, Kirk’s arguments were repeatedly crushed, exposing Kirk for the uneducated buffoon that he was.
Kirk was highly succesful against random, unprepared, and often emotional university students, who often didn’t have any debating experience, or the media experience he had.
Kirk was a predatory oppurtunist who prioritized entertainment value over genuine intellectual value.
Kirk operated as a sophisticated political grifter who successfully monetized cultural resentment and political division.
His dramatic personal enrichment, calculated message evolution, strategic provocation, and opportunistic positioning all point to someone who prioritized personal gain over genuine conviction
His ability to extract millions from donors while living in luxury estates represents a classic grifter model – exploiting the genuine concerns and grievances of his audience for personal enrichment while offering them little substantive improvement to their actual circumstances.
@milesperhoward.bsky.social:
A friend of mine was on Charlie Kirk’s “watch list” of Black professors. She received so many death and rape threats that her university offered her a security detail for the walk to class.
This is Kirk’s legacy.
You would never know it from reading all of these legacy newspaper op-eds about him.
@amirattaran.bsky.social:
This is backfiring so badly. The harder MAGA demands people love Kirk in death, the more they prove he wasn’t lovable in life.
Charlie Kirk’s Legacy Deserves No Mourning, The white Christian nationalist provocateur wasn’t a promoter of civil discourse. He preached hate, bigotry, and division by Elizabeth Spiers, Sept 12, 2025, The Nation
Charles James Kirk, 31, died on Wednesday from a gunshot to the neck at a Utah Valley University campus event just as he was trying to deflect a question about mass shootings by suggesting they were largely a function of gang violence. He died with a net worth of $12 million, which he made by espousing horrific and bigoted views in the name of advancing Christian nationalism. The foundation of his empire was the group he cofounded and led, Turning Point USA, which is a key youth-recruitment arm of the MAGA movement. Kirk was able to launch Turning Point at the age of 18 because he received money from Tea Party member Bill Montgomery, right-wing donor Foster Feiss, and his own father, also a prolific right-wing donor.
He was an unrepentant racist, transphobe, homophobe, and misogynist who often wrapped his bigotry in Bible verses because there was no other way to pretend that it was morally correct. He had children, as do many vile people.
It is rude of me to say all of this, because we live in a culture where manners are often valued more than truth. That is why a slew of pundits and politicians have raced to portray Kirk’s activities, which harmed many vulnerable people, in a positive light—and to give him the benefit of the doubt that he did not grant to anyone who wasn’t white, Christian, straight, and male. California Governor Gavin Newsom framed Kirk’s project as a healthy democratic exercise: “The best way to honor Charlie’s memory is to continue his work: engage with each other, across ideology, through spirited discourse. In a democracy, ideas are tested through words and good-faith debate.” This downwardly defines both “discourse” and “good-faith.”
There is no requirement to take part in this whitewashing campaign, and refusing to join in doesn’t make anyone a bad person. It’s a choice to write an obituary that begins “Joseph Goebbels was a gifted marketer and loving father to six children.”
Many of the facile defenses of Kirk and his legacy are predicated on the idea that it’s acceptable to spread hateful ideas advocating for the persecution of perceived enemies as long you dress them up in a posture of debate. This is just class privilege. The man who said, “Black women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person’s slot” said it while wearing a nice shirt and a tie on a podcast instead of tattered overalls in the parking lot of a rural Walmart. That does not make it any less racist.
It’s true that we cannot know what was in Charlie Kirk’s heart because we are not telepathic. But we can make reasonable inferences based on the things he said and did publicly because we are also not colossally stupid. He built a large following, and acquired real political power saying these things—to young people, to the president and his minions, to deep-pocket right-wing donors—and there are far too many people who have been ready to suggest that he was able to do this through a combination of natural charisma and good old-fashioned hard work. Speaking about and addressing the late Texas Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, who is Black, he said, “It’s very obvious to us you are not smart enough to be able to get it on your own. ‘I could not make it on my own, so I needed to take opportunities from someone more deserving.’” Kirk was smart enough to ask his father for a check when wanted to found Turning Point, and had always been happy to curtail opportunities for more deserving people when they failed to conform to his own ideology.
It’s this that makes it particularly galling to see him cast by some as a free-speech warrior. He created a professor watchlist explicitly designed to get academics fired who dared talk about the right’s usual assortment of verboten topics—anything to do with race or gender, in particular. He also offered the standard right-wing plaint about left-wing indoctrination in American universities even as he went on campus tours trying to indoctrinate young people into his hard-right Christian nationalist worldview.
When we decline to speak ill of the dead, it’s because we have compassion for the living. In this respect, I am sorry for Kirk’s children. I don’t know if Kirk was a good father, but if he was, that does little to mitigate the damage he did to other people’s children. I can only hope for the sake of his kids that they have role models who will teach them that it is wrong to profit off the dehumanization of people because of who they are.
When asked about mass shootings he said, “I think it’s worth it. I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment.” Perhaps Kirk did not believe that his own life would be cut short by gun violence, but, like the rest of us, he has witnessed countless school shootings. When he said “some gun deaths” are acceptable, he surely knew he lived in a country where the deaths he deemed acceptable included those of children, some of whom were the age of his own. There is no inherent virtue in caring about your own children; that is the bare minimum requirement for effective parenting.
Virtue lies in caring about the safety and well-being of children you don’t know.
On that front, I’m fairly sure Kirk did not care about my child. My child lives in Brooklyn, in a progressive family. His mother works and does not have a marriage where she is considered inferior to her husband or required to obey him, as Kirk arrogantly told Taylor Swift she should do after learning of her engagement. (“Reject feminism,” he said. “You’re not in charge.”) We also live in a Haitian immigrant neighborhood, and if you only listened to Charlie Kirk, you might be under the impression that my neighbors eat pets. You would also be encouraged to believe that, simply by virtue of being non-white immigrants, they were “replacing” white people—and that, since they are also Black, they are dangerous. “Happening all the time in urban America,” he said, “prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact.”
I do not believe anyone should be murdered because of their views, but that is because I don’t believe people should be murdered generally, regardless of who they are or what they’ve done.
I am against the death penalty, pro–gun control, and believe war is a failure of humanity, not a necessary byproduct of it. Kirk was fine with murder as long the right people were dying.
Some of the people valorizing Kirk insist that all of his toxicity was acceptable because at least he was open to debate—a bar so low, you’d have to dig into the Mariana Trench to get to it. And he certainly paid lip service to it. “We record all of it so that we put [it] on the Internet so people can see these ideas collide,” he said of his own streaming operation. “When people stop talking, that’s when you get violence. That’s when civil war happens, because you start to think the other side is so evil, and they lose their humanity.”
But Kirk’s actions undercut that notion every day. His entire business was saying the other side was evil and dehumanizing them. The debates were simply performances, and he could not have an entertaining public fight without opposition. Turning Point did not work to bring people together; it worked to bring about a country where anyone who wasn’t a white Christian nationalist wasn’t welcome. I won’t celebrate his death, but I’m not obligated to celebrate his life, either.
@brittlestar.com:
To be clear…
No one deserves to die for being a dick.
At the same time, no dick deserves to be lauded just because they’re dead.
@mrsbettybowers.bsky.social:
Just to be clear: Brian Kilmeade did not endorse euthanizing homeless people. He advocated MURDERING over 700,000 of them.
And on a network that has been beside itself over the murder of just one man this week.
@ecomarxi:
Republicans are pissed off that a gunman killed one of them and not 27 children in a school somewhere
@middleageriot.bsky.social:
BREAKING: MAGA declares civil war against MAGA after MAGA assassinates MAGA.
@smotus.bsky.social:
Huh an awful lot of rhetoric shifted from Old Testament to New Testament over the past few hours
@allchronology.com:
We’re at a point now where a Fox News host can just casually suggests killing homeless people with a lethal injection on air and no one bats an eye but a MSNBC contributor gets fired for calling Charlie Kirk “divisive”.
@katekilla.bsky.social:
I shouldn’t be shocked, but I’m still always brought up short to realize how many people think “civility” means “white people speaking in relatively calm voices” no matter what vile shit they say.
@volts.wtf:
What centrist libs can’t seem to internalize is that the US contains a large, longstanding, well-funded political movement that wants political violence and authoritarianism. It does not need to be provoked in any way in order to pursue those goals.
It is useful to that movement — and an inevitable outcome of its political psychology — to deny any responsibility for its own actions, to frame its opponents as the cause of its degeneracy, but its opponents are under no obligation to accept that absurd premise.
@jamellebouie.net:
man they really didn’t give a shit about that guy. as soon as it was clear they couldn’t use his death to launch a purge they started to treat it like a nothingburger
@lakelifelady.bsky.social:
It’s all about me, look look what I’m doing.
@mochachaiguy.bsky.social:
That’s how narcissists roll….
He should NEVER have been allowed anywhere near the levers of power.
@calidemocrat.bsky.social:
He wouldn’t have been if Garland had done his job. He had 4 years to indict and convict him and his traitors that helped foment J6 and he did nothing
maskup.bsky.social:
Charlie Kirk means nothing but attention to him. Psychopath.
@theultrasecret.bsky.social:
Flags at half mast again for the death of a narrative.
@mhjulie.bsky.social:
This is one of the traditional stages of grief, which we all know are:
- denial
- bargaining
- depression
- ballrooms
- acceptance
@zoesamuel.bsky.social:
This explains why so many of us haven’t come to terms with losses in the past – we skipped the ballrooms step.
@terrysan.bsky.social:
The apples don’t fall far from the tree it seems.
Trump supporters report higher levels of psychopathy, manipulativeness, callousness, and narcissism
“Trump supporters were just as able as others to recognize emotions in others—they simply appeared to care less, on average.”
@qhstone.bsky.social:
Charlie Kirk (like Elon Musk) mocked the very idea of empathy. It’s basically the definition of psychopathy.
@malloy.rocks:
Charlie Kirk was a psychopath like Trump. They have zero empathy for others.
Why should anyone have any empathy for him?
@craigcalcaterra.bsky.social:
Day three of the media pretending that Charlie Kirk believed in free speech and failing to note that his signature political project was the creation of McCarthyite watchlists of college professors to harass out of their jobs and out of society.
@dpdiver.bsky.social:
Same thing happened in Aotearoa New Zealand yesterday when our right wing Acting Prime Minister tried to pass a parliamentary motion of condolence and recognition for Kirk, but the House voted him down.
@sadgirlcassi.bsky.social:
Spencer Cox: “I wish we could blame this on muslims or migrants, but turns out it was one of us.”
what a wild thing to say
@michaelg398.bsky.social:
One of the shittiest things I’ve ever heard. “I was hoping and praying to white Mormon Jesus that it was a subhuman responsible for this, but it turned out to be someone who looks like me.
@emmalbriant.bsky.social:
Whiplash moment. I don’t think they’d have used the term ‘all-American upbringing’ if the shooter had been trans and antifascist. How many hotdogs, french fries and pretzels would they have to eat to still be considered to have an all-American upbringing?
@chadloder.bsky.social:
Pivoted so hard they affected the earth’s rotation
@mrbyll.bsky.social:
“the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism.”
They are actively hiding the research.
2024: What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism
@amirattaran.bsky.social:
FACT: The world is better off without racists. Kirk was a racist. You can always pretend to be sorry or you can be honest.
…
Dowd said: “hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.”
That is accurate and astute. He should not be fired for this, and the fact he was means American journalism lacks the self-correction to avoid destroying the country.
@lowrhoufo.bsky.social:
Newsom and Shapiro have shown themselves to be weakhideous inhumane shits.
@radgen.bsky.social:
Pritzker it is, fuck these asswipes.
@docstock.bsky.social:
What the hell are we even doing here? How many normal Pennsylvanians even know who Kirk is?? The level of online brain poisoning among the political class is WILD.
@hiss-driver.bsky.social:
I’m like, is there really a bluesky bubble and i am in it? was charlie kirk actually famous if you weren’t an online weirdo?
…I mean he wasn’t right? this just seems crazy to me but maybe i’m the deluded one
@bicyclekix.bsky.social:
I have spoken with several normal Pennsylvanians today and they have no idea who he was.
This is kinda inexplicable even for Shapiro.
@bicyclekix.bsky.social:
The Democratic Party official impulse to bow and scrape is pathetic but who are they even bowing and scraping to? The guy who tried to burn him to death in his own house?!
@midlifesuezcrisis.bsky.social:
they literally tried to burn Shapiro alive in his house! it wasn’t even that long ago!
@aweiss.bsky.social:
Someone shot up my kid’s school today, and our governor is paying tribute to a guy who thought that is an acceptable price to pay for having the Second Amendment.
Jared Polis has failed Colorado.
@johnbrownbread.bsky.social:
What the fuck is going on????
@why-not-zoidberg.bsky.social:
Nazis is going on.
@thryse.com:
Somebody tell Shapiro Kirk was a neo-Nazi who hated Jews
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@WajahatAli:
People are going to learn a lot about Groypers, Pepe the Frog, Furries, Helldivers 2, 4Chan and a bunch more this weekend. And they will be absolutely terrified.
“The Groyper Army consists of “alt-right, white nationalist, and Christian nationalist activists” who hold virulently antisemitic, racist, and homophobic views, often cloaked in rhetoric about traditional values and family.”
@SethAbramson:
He is a Groyper. The Groypers are a far-right, neo-Nazi cult made up of young far-right males who thought Kirk was insufficiently far-right.
@DavidShuster:
According to Utah officials + police interviews with his family, Tyler Robinson hated Charlie Kirk because Kirk wasn’t conservative enough. (Robinson reportedly admired Nick Fuentes). GOPer’s now scrubbing X posts about dems faster than DOJ erases Trump name in Epstein files.
@RonFilipkowski:
So after days of Republicans blaming and vilifying Democrats and trans people for Kirk’s murder despite having no clue who the person was, we find out it’s a white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loved guns.
What Is a ‘Groyper’? What to Know About Nick Fuentes’ Alt-Right Movement by Jesus Mesa, Sep 12, 2025, Newsweek
The killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk has reignited attention on a long-simmering feud within elements of the far right, particularly between Kirk and the so-called “Groyper” movement led by white nationalist Nick Fuentes.
Kirk was shot and killed on September 10 during an appearance at Utah Valley University. As authorities investigate the motive, online speculation has turned toward extremist factions that once targeted Kirk—specifically, Fuentes’ “Groyper Army,” which has long accused him of being insufficiently radical.
Despite his confrontational style, Kirk was frequently attacked from the right for being too moderate. During the 2019 “Groyper Wars,” Fuentes’ supporters disrupted Turning Point USA events, challenging Kirk on immigration and LGBTQ rights while labeling him a “gatekeeper” of establishment conservatism.
Now, as the public searches for answers in Kirk’s assassination, that conflict within far-right is back in the spotlight—with renewed scrutiny on the rhetoric and influence of Fuentes and his followers.
Social media users have also questioned whether early claims by officials that the suspect, apprehended late Thursday, was tied to left-wing extremism were premature, pointing instead to possible links to the far-right.
As of Friday afternoon, it remained unclear what the motive was in the Kirk shooting, or the political ideology of the alleged gunman. Robinson’s family said he had become “more political” in recent years, according to police. The markings on the bullet casings suggest the subject was steeped in meme culture and made references to online taunts and anti-fascist messages.
What Is the Groyper Army?
The Groyper Army is a far-right, online-based movement organized around white nationalist and “America First” advocate Nick Fuentes. According to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the group consists of “alt-right, white nationalist, and Christian nationalist activists” who hold virulently antisemitic, racist, and homophobic views, often cloaked in rhetoric about traditional values and family.
Their mascot is a cartoon frog called “Groyper,” a variant of the “Pepe” meme used widely among extremist groups.
When Did the Term ‘Groyper’ Begin?
The term “Groyper” began circulating widely in 2019 during a public feud inside the conservative movement. That year, followers of Nick Fuentes disrupted college events hosted by Charlie Kirk and his group, Turning Point USA, accusing Kirk of watering down Donald Trump‘s message.
The clash, later referred to as the “Groyper Wars,” drew national attention for its confrontational tactics and for pushing white nationalist ideas into more mainstream conservative circles.
Kirk responded by calling the Groypers extremists. He defended his approach to conservatism as inclusive, saying the movement should be open to people of all backgrounds and reject racism and homophobia.
What Has Nick Fuentes Said About the Charlie Kirk Killing?
Fuentes has made several public statements about Kirk’s assassination. Shortly after the killing, Fuentes posted, “I am devastated. It feels like a nightmare that we’ll never wake up from,” and called for unity, writing, “The violence and hatred has to stop. Our country needs Christ now more than ever.”
On September 12, Fuentes directed his comments at the Trump administration. “We need more from the Trump administration than what we’re getting,” he wrote on X. “Release all the information about the assassin and his Discord contacts. Everyone must be investigated. Tell us the plan. How will the government stop this from ever happening again? Where is the leadership???”
Update 9/12/25 8:25 p.m. ET: This story has been updated with more information.
@YasirQadhi:
No one deserves to be shot brutally in public, sliced open by the bullet of a cowardly sniper.
Hence, I condemn in the strongest terms the targeted assassination of at least 1500 Palestinians by snipers – many of whom were women and children collecting food – by the IDF cowards in Gaza.
And I condemn in the strongest terms the shooting of over 1000 Palestinians living in the West Bank in ‘clashes’ instigated by Isareli forces.
And I also condemn in the strongest terms the bombing and intentional killing of over 70,000 civilians in Gaza by the genocidal regime of Netanyahu.
Anyone who justified or mocked those deaths deserves no sympathy and is no hero – even as the same verdict above holds true for them as well.
Dying by violence does not cleanse a legacy of justifying violence.
@ecomarxi:
Can anyone find a single clip of Charlie Kirk saying something genuinely kind or compassionate about a marginalised group?
A six-year-old girl shot 355 times using Western weapons by a colony of fascists while begging for help
Western politicians: silence
A pro-gun white supremacist killed by a lone gunman while being racist
Western politicians: condemnation
We live in a circus of death
@GeauxGabrielle:
Notice how not a SINGLE CLIP of Charlie Kirk is being shown on TV as the news organizations try to eulogize him kindly. Even Fox News. You cannot show a SINGLE THING he ever said that wasnt spewing HATE and violence.
What a legacy.
@Bushra1Shaikh:
Charlie Kirk was a White Supremacist, facist, an Islamophobic bigot and genocide supporting fanatic.
If he was Brown and a Muslim, he’d be called a terrorist Islamist. Not a nice Christian man.
The whitewashing (by the neo cons), of what he really stood for is wild to witness.
@Bushra1Shaikh:
Charlie Kirk supporters: “He was a defender of free speech.”
Also Charlie Kirk supporters: “Dox them, cancel them, get their addresses, fire them. How dare they hold those opinions about him.”
@3AlexMirai:
Watching half of the world come out to mourn a white supremacist while continuing to stay silent about the genocide of Palestinians is another level of hell even I didn’t expect
